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Jack Nevada Expedition Leader - 9 months


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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: Atlantean artifacts - magic or sufficiently advanced tech? |
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When you whip up a cool new toy from Atlantis, how do you think that it works? Is it magic, or is it something that works in a way that people just don't understand yet? _________________ "Once again there is nothing you possess which I cannot take away. This time, it will cost you."
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Mick Red Expedition Leader - 12 months

Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 126 Location: Portsmouth UK
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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I run with the latter  _________________ Rule Brittannia |
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Nestor Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 2937 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I tend to follow Clarke's Law in matters like these.
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"I've got a degree in kicking arse and I'd have a doctorate in not giving a damn if I'd bothered to attend the ceremony." |
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JohnK Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 2406 Location: Ottawa, Ontario CANADA
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: |
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Hullo, Jack,
I tend to follow the Clarke's Law philosophy on this myself, same as Nestor, but I do think of the Atlantean artifacts and stuff as being technology, rather than magic, although there are some truly interesting ones that could be considered "magic" in some ways. _________________ "The pterodactyl swooped down and...well, let's just say that Loren
didn't have to concern himself with the brace of rabbits any
longer." - James Farrow, explorer
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Rev Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 440 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| I go with the Stargate method looks like magic but is advanced tech |
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Imajica

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 455 Location: Isomorphic Projection Chamber 3
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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"Any technology distinguishable from magic isn't sufficiently advanced"
Can't remember where I came across that one (it's someone's sig) but it now adorns my monitor at work. _________________ Just remember who’s standing in your way, remember every black day I ever stopped you and then—AND THEN—do the smart thing: let somebody else try first. |
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Nestor Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 2937 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Imajica wrote: | "Any technology distinguishable from magic isn't sufficiently advanced"
Can't remember where I came across that one (it's someone's sig) but it now adorns my monitor at work. |
Heh. The one that's graced my desk at one point or another is:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo."
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"I've got a degree in kicking arse and I'd have a doctorate in not giving a damn if I'd bothered to attend the ceremony." |
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The Hooded Claw

Joined: 04 Aug 2008 Posts: 83 Location: Mukilteo, WA
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I am torn on this myself. I think having magic as highly advanced tech adds an element of mystery to a game, though it can also start to pull some of the wonder out of its too heavily reinforced or too blatantly cast as such. This is the sort of choice that I think is best kept behind the scenes and left as a mystery to the players.
It also does not exist in a vacuum. If that Atlantean magic stone is actually some sort of advanced tech, then what is going on when the Atleantean preistess heals you by laying on hands. This would likely be some sort of psychic healing or some such - basically scientific magic.
I suppose there is room for both in a game. Atlantean magic is technology while there is true magic floating around out there too. _________________ -Eli
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Imajica

Joined: 09 Oct 2006 Posts: 455 Location: Isomorphic Projection Chamber 3
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Nestor wrote: | Heh. The one that's graced my desk at one point or another is:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.": |
I had a boss once who was a fully paid up member of the Magic Circle. Sleight-of-hand a speciality. Demos never failed.  _________________ Just remember who’s standing in your way, remember every black day I ever stopped you and then—AND THEN—do the smart thing: let somebody else try first. |
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Trace

Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Columbia SC
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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If people don't understand the tech and science behind it, it is just as good as calling it magic. _________________ ---
I really should proof read before hitting post. |
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madwabbit Expedition Leader - 24 months

Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 1476 Location: Alexandria, VA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Trace wrote: | | If people don't understand the tech and science behind it, it is just as good as calling it magic. |
Absolutely... reminds me of the Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." |
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Nestor Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 2937 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| madwabbit wrote: | | Trace wrote: | | If people don't understand the tech and science behind it, it is just as good as calling it magic. |
Absolutely... reminds me of the Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." |
<snicker> Which is what some of us were referring to as Clarke's Law.
Guess age is catching up with you, eh?  _________________
"I've got a degree in kicking arse and I'd have a doctorate in not giving a damn if I'd bothered to attend the ceremony." |
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madwabbit Expedition Leader - 24 months

Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 1476 Location: Alexandria, VA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Nestor wrote: | | madwabbit wrote: | | Trace wrote: | | If people don't understand the tech and science behind it, it is just as good as calling it magic. |
Absolutely... reminds me of the Arthur C. Clarke quote: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." |
<snicker> Which is what some of us were referring to as Clarke's Law.
Guess age is catching up with you, eh?  |
Bite me, big guy.  |
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Nestor Expedition Leader - 12 months


Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Posts: 2937 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| madwabbit wrote: | Bite me, big guy.  |
Getting back on topic, one of the concepts I like to use is to introduce some fictional element or material (such as liftwood from Space 1889 or oricalchum) that serves as a catch-all McGuffin to explain any "magical" device.
Hey, if Star Trek can explain everything as "multi-phasic..."  _________________
"I've got a degree in kicking arse and I'd have a doctorate in not giving a damn if I'd bothered to attend the ceremony." |
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Andronicus
Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 74 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well, pulling from Lovecraft we could say the Atlanteans were like the Mi-Go in the respect they drew no great difference between magic and science and studied both equally.
Science is generally preferred as an explanations for Atlantean goodies, primarily because it makes a better cautionary tale. If they are shown as blowing themselves up with atomic bombs, it's more meaningful than if they did some weird hoodoo.
I also prefer tech, because scientifically inclined characters will want to tinker with it. Mad Scientist anyone....? |
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