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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 2 years 3 months ago #1006

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zombie1970 wrote:
Nestor maybe right. The rules for Sky Ship Combat from Revelations of Mars (pp.76-81) appears to do away with Initiative. On each turn, each ship rolls a Pilot roll modified by handling. The ship with the most successes goes first with the rest following in order of successes. If a ship achieves more than double an opponent’s successes, they may fire with their main guns but the opponent may not return fire on their action (unless it is a turreted weapon). Successes of double or less means that the target may return fire.

Sky ship combat assumes that the pilot and the gunner are different people so this may account for the differences from dogfighting.

The goal there was to make sky ship combat conceptually different than dogfighting; large behemoths duking it out slugfest-style as opposed to small vehicles engaged in cat-and-mouse maneuvering. Hence the removal of Initiative as a factor.

But I digress. :)

In dogfighting, a pilot has two concerns: positioning (handled by the single Piloting roll at the start of the round) and aim (the Gunnery roll on his turn).
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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 2 years 3 months ago #1011

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This came up in the G+ community as well, so I thought it might be helpful to add to Zombie1970's and Nestor's excellent posts with the summary that was posted there:

Dogfighting uses opposed piloting rolls and the rules were written from the point of view that there will be multiple attackers and targets.
It is expected that targets will shift throughout the dogfight, but higher skill and/or greater numbers will be an advantage in target selection.

Steps:

1. Check initiative for the scene
2. All combatants roll piloting to gain position
  • All results are compared to all other results.
  • Higher rolls may choose to target any lower rolls without taking return fire from that target's fixed weapons (exception: turrets, see step 3 below)
  • Ties allow both pilots to attack each other with their fixed weapons, or allow another chance to gain a superior position instead.
  • The piloting roll may be waived if acting as a wingman: instead, Confer a + 2 bonus to the ally you are being a wingman for

3. Turrets: each turret adds 1 difficulty to the opposed piloting roll from step 2, after positioning is determined.
  • An attacker that exceeds the number of rolled successes for a target may attack without return fire from fixed weapons (such as nose-mounted machine guns) but can still receive return fire from turret guns.
  • An attacker that exceeds the rolled successes of a target and its turret bonus(es) can attack without return fire.
4. Roll Attack Ratings as normal in initiative order
  • A target may forgo their own attack (versus a target with fewer successes on the roll from step 2) to try to evade or escape an incoming attack (by a target with more successes from step 2) by once again seeking a superior position

About Initiative:
It is only determined once, at the start of the combat.

About Evasion:
Successes on an Evade roll (piloting) cancel Attack successes. If Evading, the Pilot cannot make an Attack, but Turret gunners could (with a penalty)

Evasion does not lead to escape or repositioning, it is just defensive.

[b]About Repositioning:[/b]
If successful (beat Attacker's opposed roll results) positions are reversed. No incoming attack is allowed from the opponent. This takes the pilot's Attack action. Any additional attackers with superior positioning not acting as wingmen in the scene may still fire.

If unsuccessful, the opponent may attack normally (this is a gamble compared to evasion).

Other Aerial Combats
Sky Ship combat operates differently and includes other factors such as vehicle size, volley size, more types of armaments and ammunition, and area of effect rules.
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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 1 year 10 months ago #1059

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Plane 1 and Plane 2 enter a dogfight. Plane 1 increases activity and endeavors to move into preference position. The pilot of Plane 1 accomplishes 6 triumphs and the pilot of Plane 2 just accomplishes 4 victories. Plane 1 has the favorable position.

On Plane 2's turn, the pilot accomplishes 5 victories to Plane 1's 4 triumphs. Plane 2 has switched the favorable position.

On Plane 1's next turn, the guiding duel proceeds. Plane 1 just accomplishes 3 triumphs to Plane 2's 5 victories. Plane 2 has kept up the favorable position.

On Plane 2's turn, the pilot opens fire on Plane 1.
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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 6 months 2 weeks ago #4956

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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 6 months 3 days ago #5861

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[SotSW] Dogfight clarification 4 months 4 days ago #16220

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